205: One CA Year in Review Part I

Welcome to One CA Podcast. 

As we go into the holidays, the One CA brings on the show's founder, John McElligott, to talk with Brian Hancock and Jack Gaines about the show's beginnings, current updates and goals for the future. So, stay tuned. 

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One CA is a product of the civil affairs association 

and brings in people who are current or former military, diplomats, development officers, and field agents to discuss their experiences on the ground with a partner nation's people and leadership.

We aim to inspire anyone interested in working in the "last three feet" of U.S. foreign relations. 

To contact the show, email us at CApodcasting@gmail.com 

or look us up on the Civil Affairs Association website at www civilaffairsassoc.org

 

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Past Episodes:

202 Andrew Gonzalez on Marine Civil Affairs in the Pacific (Part II) 
201 Andrew Gonzalez on Marine Civil Affairs in the Pacific (Part I) 
200 Jörg Grössl on the NATO Civil-Military Cooperation Centre of Excellence 
199 Jeffrey Fiddler and the U.S. Gaza Relief Mission 
198 David Luna, State-sponsored criminality in strategic competition 
197 Scott Mann "Nobody is Coming to Save You" 
196 Jeffrey Fiddler on the DOD response to COVID 19 
195 Cleo Paskal on PRC operations in Guam 
194 Doug Stevens on faith-based diplomacy 
193 Patrick Alley on Global Influence (Part II) 
192 Patrick Alley on Global Influence (Part I) 
191 Drew Biemer on Energy Sector Civil Affairs 
190 Pavlo Kuktha on Ukraine Reconstruction 
189 Phillip Smith in discussion with Brian Hancock 
188 Part II, Mickey Bergman on Diplomacy in the Shadows 
187 Part I, Mickey Bergman on Diplomacy in the Shadows 
186 Major Gustavo Ferreira testifies at the U.S. China Economic and Security Review Commission. 
185 Scott Mann, Life After Afghanistan 
184 Megan O’Keefe-Schlesinger on Information Operations. Part II. 
183 Megan O’Keefe-Schlesinger. Leading Information Operations and Influence. Part I 
182 Natacha Ciezki, from Zaire to America 
181 Proxy Wars, by Pawel Bernat, Juneyt Gurer, and Cyprian Kozera 
180 Sandor Fabian: Europe is Learning the wrong lessons from the conflict in Ukraine 
179 Civil Affairs Innovation with Colonel Brad Hughes, part II 
178 Civil Affairs Innovation with Colonel Brad Hughes, part I 
177 Patrick Passewitz on the Sicilian Model 
176 Part II, interview with J. David Thompson 
175 Part I interview with J. David Thompson 
174 Direct Commissions with Heater Cotter 
173 Achieving post conflict stabilization with Prof. Beatrice Heuser (Pt.2) 
172 Achieving post conflict stabilization with Prof. Beatrice Heuser (Pt.1) 
171 Civil Military What? 
170 Combat First Aid in Ukraine by Michael Baker 
169 Part II, Bas Wouters on Influence and Persuasion 
168 Part I, Bas Wouters on Influence and Persuasion 
167 Electronic Warfare with Michael Gudmundson 
166 On Alexei Navalny and Political Dissent 
165 Part II of the Courtney Mulhern and Dan Joseph interview 
164 Part I, Courtney Mulhern and Dan Joseph on the book "Backpack to Rucksack" 
163 Sam Cooper on China political and Economic Warfare 
162 Rob Boudreau and Joel Searls 
161 Curtis Fox, Part II on Russian Hybrid Warfare 
160 Curtis Fox: Part I, Russian Hybrid Warfare 
159 Albert Augustine and V Corps CA 
158 Introducing the 1st CAG Human Dimension Podcast 
157 Part II Robert Curris on Psychological Operations integration with CA and SOF 
156 Part I, Robert Curris on Psychological Operations integration with CA and SOF 
155 Gen (R) David Petraeus at Carnegie 
154 Angie Smith, Environmental Science and Foreign Policy 
153 One CA Classic. John visits AUSA 
152 Dan Blumenthal and Fred Kagan 
151 Dan Blumenthal and Fred Kagan 
150 The WestPoint Center for the Study of Civil-Military Operations 
149 Part II. Tony Vacha on Civil Affairs in Europe and Africa 
148 Part I.Tony Vacha on Civil Affairs in Europe and Africa 
147 Jack’s first year hosting the One CA Podcast 
146 Jess Langerud talks on medical diplomacy in Poland 
145 Courtney Mulhern. Three tools to improve local public outreach 
144 Garric Banfield on the 95th Civil Affairs Brigade 
143 Richard Messick. Advising partner nations on Rule of Law and anti-corruption 
142 Scott DeJesse and the new Monuments Men and Women 
141 Paul Hutchinson on the film ”Sound of Freedom” and human trafficking 
140 Brian Hancock interview Col. Rachael Sherrer discuss Army Europe and Africa 
139 John Cassara on China’s Criminal Economy 
138 Part II. Joseph Long on relational leadership and military diplomacy 
137 Part I. Joseph Long on relational leadership and military diplomacy 
136 Joe Pastorek and the 95th CA Advanced Skills Detachment 
135 Jack Gaines interview with Global Integrity 
134 Calvin Chrustie on conflict and hostage negotiation 
133 Part II: Afghan resettlement in the U.S. 
132 Part I: Afghan resettlement in the U.S. 
131 Climate and Security 
130 Chris Hyslop on human rights and diplomacy 
129 Special Episode: Digital Civil Reconnaissance with Carrick Longley and Stephen Hunnewell 
128 128 Josh Bedingfield on Shadow Governments Part II 
127 Josh Bedingfield on Shadow Governments, Part I 
126 Juan Quiroz on CA leading in Competition 
125 Chris Hyslop: The Peace Corps 
124 Special episode. Jordan Harbinger interviews H.R. McMaster on his book ”Battlegrounds” 
123 Part II 38G: Agriculture and foreign policy 
122 Part I 38G: Agriculture and foreign policy 
121 Korea Reunification by David Maxwell 
120 Special episode. IWP: The Columbia Plan 
119 Discussing the USMC, 31st MEU CA Marines 
118 Part II. Integrating Civil Affairs, field operations and diplomacy, by former Under-Secretary, Michael Patrick Mulroy 
117 Part I. former DASD, Michael Patrick Mulroy on Integrating Civil Affairs, field operations and diplomacy 
116 Assad Raza talk-back on the Frank Sobchak interview 
115 Frank Sobchak on advising and training partner nation forces 
114 Special Episode from the IW Podcast: Slow Burn: How Security Cooperation shapes operational environments 
113 Jodi Harman and the HillVets Foundation 
112 David Maxwell on grand strategy 
111 Civil Affairs and Security Cooperation with Chris Stockel 
110 CSM Riccio Christmas Day Concert 
109 John Hutcheson on Hiring our Heroes 
108 Advertisement for the CSM Riccio holiday concert 
107 Operation Joint Endeavor 
106 Special episode: John McElligott passes the mic 
105 Major John Burns on Ghost Team at NTC 
104 Stanislava Mladenova on Civ-Mil Relationships in Low-Intensity Conflict and State Fragility 
103 Benjamin Ordiway and Anthony Pfaff 
102 Nick Krohley and Lt Col Stefan Muehlich on Doctrinal Comparison, Part 2 
101 Nick Krohley and Lt Col Stefan Muehlich on Doctrinal Comparison, Part 1 
100 Episode 100 of the One CA Podcast 
99 Theater Information Advantage Element
98 Brig Gen Chris Dziubek of the 351st CACOM 
97 Mark Delaney on Civil Affairs Skills for Post Military Life 
96 Colonel Marco Bongioanni on Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officers 
95 Maj Gen Jeff Coggin of USACAPOC(A) 
94 Operation Allies Refuge: Lessons on Interagency and Multinational Collaboration 
93 Vish Odedra on COVID-19 Vaccinations in the UK 
92 LTC Greg Banner on Training for Unconventional Warfare 
91 Chris Bryant on Social Media for CA 
90 CA Issue Papers 2021 - Part 3 
89 CA Issue Papers 2021 - Part 2 
88 CA Issue Papers 2021 - Part 1 
87 USACAPOC(A) Command Strategic Initiatives 
86 Civil Affairs Interagency Panel - Part 2 
85 Civil Affairs Interagency Panel - Part 1 
84 Zach Hyleman and Kevin Chapla on FAO and CA 
83 Civil Affairs in Regional Competition for Influence - Part 2 
82 Civil Affairs in Regional Competition for Influence - Part 1 
81 SFC Josh Spiers on San Pedro Sula, Honduras 
80 Major Lauren Holl on San Pedro Sula, Honduras 
79 Josh Bedingfield on Human Network Analysis 
78 Lieutenant General Eric Wesley on Civil Competition - Part 2 
77 Lieutenant General Eric Wesley on Civil Competition - Part 1 
76 Maj Gen Hugh Van Roosen on a Career in SF, CA, and PSYOP 
75 Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Coggin of USACAPOC(A) 
74 Colonel Mattia Zuzzi of the Multinational CIMIC Group 
73 Jonathan Papoulidis on Country Coordination Platforms 
72 Colonel Frank van Boxmeer of NATO CCOE 
71 LTC Matthias Wasinger of the Austrian Armed Forces 
70 Request for Capabilities Brief Guests and Show Hosts 
69 Lt Col Jahn Olson and Lt Col Korvin Kraics on III Marine Expeditionary Force 
68 LTC Albert Augustine on CA Missions in Africa 
67 Justin Constantine 
66 John Steed of Tesla Government on GIS 
65 65 Digital Civil Reconnaissance with Carrick Longley and Stephen Hunnewell 
64 Joe Pastorek on the 95th Civil Affairs Brigade's Advanced Skills Detachment 
63 Lauren Ladenson, Lieutenant Colonel Matt Holmes, and Lieutenant Colonel Kyle Kouri on Defense Support to Stabilization (DSS) 
62 CPT Al Oh and SGM Chris Melendez discuss Civil Reconnaissance 
61 Dr. E. Casey Wardynski, ASA (M&RA) on Talent Management 
60 LTC Scott Dickerson on the Army CA Force Modernization Assessment 
59 MAJ Ashley Holzmann on the History of US Propaganda and Psychological Operations 
58 Doowan Lee on Innovating Influence Intelligence 
57 LTC Marco Bongioanni on the International Visitor Leadership Program 
56 Paul Giannone on CA in Vietnam and his Career in Public Health 
55 LTC Jeff Uherka and COL Steve Barry of Joint Task Force - Bravo 
54 John Barsa, Acting Administrator of USAID 
53 Dr. Ajit Maan - Narrative Warfare 
52 Karen Walsh and Bron Morrison of Dexis Consulting 
51 Intergrating Civil Affairs, with MAJ Brian Hancock and Dr. Timothy Darr 
50 COL Steve Battle on CA Support for the COVID-19 Outbreak in Korea 
49 LTC Rachel Sullivan and MAJ Mike Karlson on CA during the COVID-19 Pandemic in Korea 
48 Dr. Lynn Copeland on the Future of Civil Information Management 
47 Letting the CAT out of the Bag Part 2 
46 Letting the CAT out of the Bag, Part 1 
45 MAJ Ian Duke on the need for a Civil Knowledge Battalion 
44 MAJ James Ontiveros discusses Civil Affairs and Megacities 
43 Captains Chapla, Micciche, and Staron on Storyboards as the TPS Reports of the Army 
42 LTC Sue Gannon on Leading the 450th CA Battalion 
41 Sean McFate on the New Rules of War, Part 2 
40 Sean McFate on the New Rules of War, Part 1 
39 Abubakr Elnoor on Darfur and Terrorist Recruitment 
38 Devin Conley on the National Training Center 
37 General Anthony Zinni on a Unified, Interagency Command 
36 Garric Banfield on the 95th Civil Affairs Brigade 
35 Justin Richmond on the Impl. Project 
34 Alexandra Lamarche on Internally Displaced People in Cameroon 
33 Jamie Schwandt on Swarm Intelligence, Swarm Learning, and Red Teams 
32 Jay Liddick and Scott Dickerson on the CA Force Modernization Assessment 
31 Narayan Khadka on Nepal, castes, and community trauma 
30 Jay Liddick and Scott Dickerson on CA in Large Scale Combat Operations 
29 Giancarlo Newsome and Jesse Elmore on Military Government Specialists 
28 Nicholas Krohley on Human Terrain and CA Integration 
27 Dale Yeager with Travel Safety Tips 
26 Cori Wegener on Cultural Heritage Preservation 
25 Major General Darrell Guthrie of USACAPOC(A) 
24 Kwadjo Owusu-Sarfo on Ghana and Boko Haram 
23 Manya Dotson on Life in the NGO Community 
22 Wyatt Hughes Trains the Central Readiness Force of Japan 
21 Bonus episode with Ryan McCannell of USAID 
20 Ryan McCannell of USAID on the Evolution of CA in Sub-Saharan African 
19 Arnel David on Strategy in the 21st Century 
18 Michael Coates and Mark Grimes, Startup Radio Network 
17 Max Steiner and Mazi Markel, CA Issue Paper 
16 Diana Parzik, USAID Office of Civilian-Military Cooperation 
15 Will Ibrahim, S-9 of 2/1 CAV 
14 What is Civil Affairs - AUSA Answers 
13 Scott Fisher and Information Operations 
12 Aleks Nesic and James Patrick Christian of Valka-Mir 
11 Norm Cotton of the Institute for Defense Analyses 
10 Kevin Melton, USAID Office of Transition Initiatives 
9 Dr. Larry Hufford discusses the 20th Anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland 
8 Valor Breez and Jarrett Redman on "Beyond Hearts and Minds" 
7 John Stefula and PKSOI 
6 Michael Schwille, Iraq and Djibouti and RAND 
5 Gonul Tol, Middle East Institute, on Turkey 
4 Roberto Carmack, PhD, on Russian actions 
3 Sean Acosta, Instructor, USAJFKSWCS 
2 Valerie Jackson, 4th CA Group, USMC 
1 Jon May: Artificial Intelligence for HA/DR Operations - LORELEI 

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Transcript

00:00:03    Introduction
Welcome to the 1CA Podcast. This is your host, Jack Gaines. 1CA is a product of the Civil Affairs Association and brings in people who are current or former military, diplomats, development officers, and field agents to discuss their experiences on ground with the partner nation's people and leadership. Our goal is to inspire anyone interested in working the last three feet of foreign relations. To contact the show, email us at capodcasting at gmail .com. or look us up on the Civil Affairs Association website at www .civilaffairsassos .org. I'll have those in the show notes.

00:00:40    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Welcome to the 1CA podcast. I'm John McElligott, Major of the U .S. Army Reserve, and I will be your host for today's session.

00:00:47    JACK GAINES
This is Jack Gaines,and I will also be your host for this session.

 

BRIAN HANCOCK

I'm Lieutenant Colonel Brian Hancock, and I too will be your host for this session. Today, on the anniversary of One Civil Affairs Podcast, we have brought three hosts together to discuss where One CA Podcast has been, where we are today, and where we plan to take the show in the future. By happenstance, we're all here and here on the anniversary of One Civil Affairs Podcast. I think it's fate that we celebrate the organization and the listeners who have made One CA what it is today. Quick disclaimer before we continue. A reminder to the audience that all remarks are solely those of the presenters and do not necessarily represent the views of the United States Army or the Department of Defense. Let's start at the beginning. God, founder of 1CA Podcasts, executive extraordinaire of muckety -muck, running your business on a civil affairs board, and you come up, I guess, with this crazy idea to start 1CA Podcasts. How did that happen? Why don't you tell us a little bit about the origins of this incredible show?

00:01:55    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
I'd be glad to. So I think some of this blame probably goes back to you too. Uh -oh. So we were training together. We were going through the civil affairs qualification course, the reserve component, several years ago. And this was at a time when we had a team combined with active component and reserve component soldiers and actually soldiers from other countries. And I think that was the first time... that I had really felt this connection with the active component being reservist my whole time. And it was valuable. And so I wondered to myself, as we had a bunch of downtime waiting for the next missions, I had this thought, how do we keep this alive? And podcasting really started to grow nationally, internationally. I thought, wow, maybe I could do this. Can we get people on a show where the bar hopefully for entry is low enough? just to talk about stuff. Now, the goal for myself was, yes, to connect each other so that we can keep that discussion alive. I think the selfish goal for me was to learn. I wanted to bring people on so that I could know more about the civil affairs regiment, branch, et cetera, the whole environment, so that people could come to me and I can ask them questions in a simple format and then quickly learn.

00:03:13    BRIAN HANCOCK

That's awesome. Studies show that when people ask questions of others, the perception is that the person asking the question is more intelligent or more knowledgeable. The reality is, I know when I'm asking questions of our guests, and I suspect from what you said that the experience is similar for you, we are in receive mode. I mean, we're just learning amazing things from amazing people all the time. That is wonderful.

00:03:37    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
I need to hear from other people. And the other point of this was... understanding the value of the balance between officers and NCOs. And so there's Sergeant Sarah Kelly at the time who helped me to launch some of this idea to let that grow. And the thought early on was to have this balance between NCOs and officers. Now, historically, I think most of the guests we've had and the hosts we've had tend to be officers with some NCOs, some really standouts. But hopefully that's something we'll get to later on is How do we get more NCOs involved? Because the wealth of knowledge they bring to the table.

00:04:12    BRIAN HANCOCK

Well said on that. And actually, Sergeant Kelly, she interviewed me way back when. I think that was Rim of the Pacific where we made up some new processes for measuring progressing planetary assistance disaster relief. That was a fun episode. She did a really good job. So, yeah, I agree. We definitely need more NCOs, especially of that caliber, to come on and help with the show. Now,

00:04:18    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
of the Pacific

00:04:34    BRIAN HANCOCK

you told us a little bit about bringing her on board. What was it like running the show back then? I mean, there was extensive video editing. Our equipment wasn't as modern. What was that experience like from a technical and academic point of view?

00:04:49    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Well, gladly we had Zoom and we had ways to dial in Skype and so on, but smartphones helped out a great deal. But yeah, it's not like today. So Jack will hopefully cover artificial intelligence and programs that you're using right now to make this easier, a little bit easier. He's taking it to the next level. So some conversations were simply a recorder with batteries placed next to my phone to record a conversation. Some of them were just really winging it with a lot of editing that was required. And my dog barking. Yeah, that's the moment. That's the moment, right? Or the worst is when someone is blowing leaves. Or they've got work going on outside that you have no control over.

00:05:33    BRIAN HANCOCK

Yeah, that's why we have these roll -it -ins here and here. If we just close them down and they do what they don't do,

00:05:36    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
what they don't do, we're good. So, yeah, we've made huge strides over the years, in large part to what Jack has brought to the table on the quality of what you guys do.

00:05:44    BRIAN HANCOCK

Yeah, well said. And it sounds like we have a long history of mascots, starting with the dog, for 1CA podcast. Now we have Jabba the Cat as our current mascot. There are costs associated with doing this. This isn't free. The Civil Affairs Association is not profitable. And one of the ways that you creatively sought to close that funding gap and sought sponsors for the shows. And to this day, we often hear some of those sponsors that you brought on board, helping with the show, helping us defray the cost. How did you do that?

00:06:15    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Yeah, so we wanted this to be cost neutral as much as possible. I think for the production costs, we were the pitch to the Civil Affairs Association at the time was. If we can bring on sponsors at a decent rate, then we can cover those production costs and keep this cost neutral.

00:06:32    BRIAN HANCOCK

Jack, get right on that, on our bottom line to be tripled in the next six months. Right.

00:06:36    BRIAN HANCOCK
Sure. I would love that. But right now we're doing just like YouTubers where the YouTube inserts an advertisement and sends you, you know,

00:06:37    JACK GAINES
would love that.

00:06:44    BRIAN HANCOCK
and sends you, you know, 11 cents for the first billion downloads. Exactly. All right. Yeah.

00:06:49    JACK GAINES
All right. Yeah.

00:06:50    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Working on the first billion. Yeah. We have to monetize this,

00:06:52    BRIAN HANCOCK

We have to monetize this, guys. Let's keep that up. All right, John. So yeah,

00:06:55    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
All right, John. So yeah, but it's not a big, civil affairs is not a big industry for companies doing products and services. I don't know if we'll ever get there, but there is a short list of companies who want to advertise to this community. So those are the ones that we reached out to and we were successful in getting a few. So if you're a company out there, if you want to market to anyone listening to this show, please contact Jack, contact the team, and we can get an episode together for you.

00:07:24    BRIAN HANCOCK

And I know we can support that. We have some very interesting demographics that we get that are not common in my experience. You did this for four years. Wow, right? And you have the great hand to prove it. Yeah. It doesn't make me feel so bad and so old. But what were some of your favorite episodes in that time that you recorded?

00:07:35    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
you have the great hand to prove it. Yeah.

00:07:41    JACK GAINES
were some of your favorite episodes in that time that you recorded? And again, give the numbers because we have a running number. And I think, Jack, I don't know if you'll link the master list with all the... Look at that already. Oh, it's linked. Yeah, the numbers on the link in front of you is you guys correlated with the actual show. Go ahead.

00:07:55    BRIAN HANCOCK
the numbers on the link in front of you is you guys correlated with the actual show. Go ahead.

00:07:58    BRIAN HANCOCK

guys correlated with the actual show. Go ahead. Give us some of your favorite ones so people can look these up and relive the glory.

00:08:04    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
So I think there are three that come to mind. You guys have to help me out with the numbers here, but I think General Zinni, General Anthony Zinni from the U .S. Marine Corps, that interview was fantastic. Such a deep wealth of experience that he brought to the table. And that was just sitting at my kitchen table, talking to him and going through the network of the Civil Affairs Association to get him on the line. And I think because he spoke at one of the association meetings six months prior or whatever.

00:08:37    BRIAN HANCOCK
That was episode 37? 37.

00:08:38    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
37. Thank you. There we are.

00:08:40    JACK GAINES
Yeah, that is an early episode. We're at what, 200 and something?

00:08:44    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Yeah. Well, to put that into context, by the way, after four years, I think I... I worked down 106, 107 until turning over to Jack. Right, and then now we're at episode 200 over a much shorter period.

00:08:54    BRIAN HANCOCK
a much shorter period. Right, but we've also changed our pace. We're doing one every two weeks. We're doing one weekly, but we're actually only adding one additional show. We're splitting long -form interview in half so that we're adding one show, but we're hitting it weekly to fill in the time. That's awesome. Yeah.

00:09:14    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
That's awesome. To your question, the other two that stood out to me were the interview, I think it was two parts, with Shomnik Fate talking about the new rules of war. Yeah. What a smart guy. And I think that was really fascinating to bring his insight, somebody who's basically an academic teaching at the War College. Not just an academic.

00:09:37    JACK GAINES
just an academic. I mean, he served in special operations. He served as a mercenary. He has every type of experience on the government side, on the private side, on the secret squirrel side doing this. So that ability to have all those different perspectives, you know, as kind of an integrator to look at what that big picture is and could be. That's a book that he wrote, New Rules of War, Victory in the Age of Durable Disorder. referred to me by a Marine Corps infantry officer, probably the best military book I had written about that.

00:10:17    JACK GAINES
Nice. Yeah. And a name like McFate. Isn't it? While running around in the shadows. Yeah. It's just brilliant.

00:10:22    BRIAN HANCOCK
Yeah. It's just brilliant. It's just built for you. Yeah. Oh, that was episode 40 and 41, by the way. So that was a good run. Yeah, that was really close to when you had General Zinni.

00:10:28    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
the way. So that was a good run. Yeah, that was really close to when you had General Zinni.

00:10:33    BRIAN HANCOCK
Well done. Oh my God.

00:10:33    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
done. Oh my God. So let me continue on this Marine Corps piece. I think she was then Colonel Valerie Jackson. Now I think she's Brigadier General. So the Marine Corps perspective on civil affairs was great for me as an Army guy to hear. The last one I'll talk about is... That was episode number two. Number two. You were hitting a hard back then.

00:10:55    BRIAN HANCOCK
a hard back then.

00:10:57    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Digital Civil Reconnaissance with Carrick Longley and Steve Huntawell. Talking about their perspective and what their company at the time was analyzing. in the civil domain and how we as civil affairs soldiers and Marines can conduct a lot of our work remotely, prep us and the commands that we support. So yeah, great tools and just the process that I think going back to that episode, we can still use today.

00:11:26    BRIAN HANCOCK
Yeah, that was episode 129. That was the last one we broadcast of your time as the lead host and showrunner. Nice.

00:11:35    JACK GAINES
Heard us strong, finish strong. The digital state of reconnaissance, I know that when General Zubek retired from 351, was over in Korea as the G9, they had pioneered as their information systems, different languages and different technologies, platforms, very complex. So they actually pioneered a concept. And I think there's still a paper that we might be able to link to, if I can look it up. on digital civil reconnaissance because the concept is still valid of on reserve battle assemblies, area -aligned civil affairs units and develop some of the civil picture that's needed for real -world operations in pieces over those battle assemblies and then send it forward as kind of a longer -term reachback, not a fast RFI process, but a longer -term development process to support the folks who are actually doing this operation, which is really an idea. Right. So, and that's still alive. I know some of the organizations who have been involved may not be doing it anymore, but the philosophy, the concept, and some of the actors are certainly still doing that. Well, Brian, you just recently had Andrew Gonzalez on. Yeah. He was talking about CKI TAC, which is something that has potential for more than just the Marine Corps and wider partnerships. This concept of developing civil picture, I'm not going to say cop, I think is a loaded term, but developing a civil picture that will enable maneuver is a very complicated topic. It requires a lot of information from a lot of players across the AC, right? And we haven't had a fantastic way to collect, collate, analyze, and display that. But TKI TAC... may be a piece of that puzzle. And, you know, I'm excited to see when it comes out what we do with that. So thanks for bringing it up, Jack. Appreciate it. Well,

00:13:29    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Well, gentlemen, I'd say enough about where it started. I want to turn this over to Lieutenant Colonel Hancock, Brian Hancock. At the time we were, you were captain. I think I was first lieutenant when we met. Right. How I twisted your arm to get involved with all the shenanigans with the 1CA podcast and how you got started, how it's gone so far and what you've learned.

00:13:52    JACK GAINES
To be honest with you, John, after you did four years, I just felt sorry for a year, so I felt I had to jump in as my battle brother from Saundry.

00:13:57    BRIAN HANCOCK
as my

00:13:59    JACK GAINES
No, no, that's not it. Actually, I have a far more diplomatic series of answers to give you, starting with the fact that my technical skills were becoming a little bit outdated. You mentioned how I graded from tape recordings and basic microphones to now. digital capabilities i know jack will talk more about this all the way through ai and programming and things like that and i had very similar experience to what you did in terms of when i was doing tactical work but now here we are with digital recordings podcasts ais and things like that and i recognize hey i need to get back into this if you want to be influence operations you have to understand a little bit about how to actually do that right you need to pony up at some point so there was an opportunity for me there and You know, I'm a little bit older than both of you gentlemen, and so I'm kind of at that point where I feel like I have to not only share anything I've learned with the community before my time is up, but also find people who have a lot to share and great knowledge who may not have been necessarily extensively published in other formats, right, to help preserve that intellectual property that the larger diplomatic community, including civil affairs, has developed over time. So that was kind of a foundation -type exciting project to collate some of that knowledge. And then, of course, the people involved, right? The journey matters. And who wouldn't want to work with Major John McElligot, Major Jack Gates? You guys are amazing, true professionals, fantastic, fun to be around, and really made this experience amazing for me. So I jumped on for all of those reasons. I would encourage others who are interested in doing it. It's not that hard. I know there are times. The biggest time sink in my experience is sound editing, which we don't really have to do so much anymore as guest hosts. Jack, you'll be talking more about some of the capabilities that you have to do that. But as the executive producer, you've managed a lot of that and given me the freedom to just go find amazing people with amazing stories to share. Throw on the recording. It's not live, so it's easy to do in as many retakes as you want. And then you turn it into these amazing shows that go out to the audience. And this piece of equipment we're using to record right now has about, you know, five switches and dials and is really very simple to work with. And we provide that to folks who are interested in doing it. So you put the call out to those who might be interested in sponsoring, John. I'd like to put the call out to anyone who might be interested in joining our team. We've got roughly four guest hosts and our executive producer. to build these shows and to give more content to the community as well as developing your own skills. It's a great opportunity. Thanks for asking that question, Don. I appreciate it.

00:16:43    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Yeah, welcome team. It's been a huge value added to the listeners. You bring a wealth of experience. You've seen a lot of this come together and see the place where civil affairs sits in different commands. So yeah, kudos for being on board and conducting so many fruitful interviews for the listeners.

00:17:00    JACK GAINES
Really appreciate it. It's really been a great experience for me. The people that I've met, networking, the career opportunities that it's opened, the perspectives that I've gained, the lessons I've learned, as well as managing my time and my family, it's just been super valuable.

00:17:19    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Let me ask you a question about your favorite episodes. I'm going to mention some of the... episodes that I was part of because I'm most familiar with those.

00:17:22    JACK GAINES
going to mention some of the... episodes that I was part of because I'm most familiar with those. And I think that'd be stealing someone else's thunder if I talked about some of the ones that they recorded that are very different. I want to bring to everyone's attention as you're looking for material through the holidays. We did an interview with expeditionary pastor Doug Stevens. Within information -related capabilities, of course, you've got civil affairs and PSYOP and electronic warfare and information operations. You've got all of these things. Often undersold is the value of religious engagement. So for instance, when the Australian Navy goes to any port in the world, two weeks before that ship docks, they've sent their pastor forward. And he's there opening doors, talking to people, building relationships. So when that Australian ship comes into port, they've got a million friends and the red carpet's rolled out because of religious engagement. And when we look at some of our traditional structures, like the effects cells and the theater information advantage element or theater information advantage detachment and other MDO formation, they do not contain religious engagement. I think it's a gap in exercising influence across time, and you're not going to achieve conversions and information effects if we ignore religious engagement. He goes out, he goes to the worst of the worst areas. He talks about the explosions that were happening when he was recently in Kiev. the people he's supporting, the lives that he's saving. And they don't push on anyone, but they are there to help the men, the women, the children. And it was just very inspiring. I thought he brought a lot to the table in that episode. And that was episode 194, by the way. Episodes 183 and 184, I got to interview Megan O 'Keefe Schlesinger. fantastic, soft officer who has a functional area for information operations, but also a SAMS graduate and had done a utilization tour. So for those of you who wanted to learn about the School of Advanced Military Science or for the Marines, the School of Advanced Workpoint, she just laid it all out. Here are the various schools across the joint boards that you can apply to. Here's how you apply to them. Here's what those experiences are like. Here's what it can and can't do for your career. And here's what that means. She kind of demystified all of that. I thought it was wonderful. And she shared a lot of knowledge in that process. And then finally, I want to mention for civil affairs specific flavor, episode 148 and 149 with the legendary Colonel Tony Baja, who's recently retired, saw him on a conference call with General Goddard. By the way, he's going to be grading all of your one civil affairs issue papers. He started growing a beard. It's not too long yet, so he needs to redouble his effort on that. But, you know, he's done everything from being in the trenches, being in multiple war theaters, being in command, developing and writing doctrine, working at the proponency, building and executing new programs and technology. In every area that matters for civil affairs, he has a touch point and did some seminal work at the War College, too. And just to be able to reminisce with him over his many years of civil affairs and into his retirement. Fantastic. That was episode 148. Excellent.

00:20:39    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Kudos to Coronel Baja, by the way. We called him the godfather of the IMSG, the Institute for Military Support and Governance. Team,

00:00:51    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Kudos to Cornel Baja, by the way. We called him the godfather of the IMSG, the Institute for Military Support to Governance. So in the CE community, when we talk about the 38 Gulf MOS, he had a big hand in that, as did our current association president, Major General Retired, Ben Risen. Yes. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. That's great.

00:01:12    BRIAN HANCOCK
We've had some unbelievable talent involved in the 38 Gulf program, which is maturing all the time. I'd be remiss. I didn't put it on my initial list because I only picked three. The work that Carl Bradford Hughes has done managing the functional specialty teams out in the 351 Civil Affairs Command, incredible missions they've done, the value that they've brought, the opportunities that they've identified, the innovation that they've driven. I think the 38 Golf Program is probably the best and most exciting thing that's happened to civil affairs in a good decade, and it's only beginning. It's only going to be even better off from here. So transitioning from my time, Jack, you come on as the executive producer, a career, not only public affairs officer with all of the skills, interpersonal, technical, et cetera, to make this show successful, take us to the next level. But also, not necessarily well -known, but one of the few folks who has built a new community for proactive public affairs. as opposed to reactive. Public affairs is probably our most powerful information -related capability because of its established infrastructure, access to senior leadership, immediate response authorities, ability to rapidly declassify imagery, debunk mis - and disinformation. But we have not really, at least in my opinion, fully exploited that capability. You're leading a community towards helping that in the work that you did. And the test of the theater information to manage element, of course, speaks to the power of that. It was unbelievable what public affairs was able to do at that joint warfighter assessment. And you also bring in new skills with artificial intelligence and the editing. I think you produced it now for about 30 hours, which was relatively laborious to roughly eight. Yes, this does take time still. How did you get involved? When did you decide to take the plunge and join the crazies that were on the 1CA team? How much money do I owe you for doing this? Give us a check later.

00:03:15    JACK GAINES
I don't always listen to 1CA podcasts, but when I do, I hear John McElligot saying, please take over. It's been four years. Oh, God. And I just happened to listen to an episode where you were saying, hey, I'm done. It's time to pass this on. And I don't know. I'm pretty open to new experiences. And public affairs in the civil affairs trade has always been my favorite key to public affairs because being a civil affairs officer and a public affairs officer allows me to go into the field, work with civil populations, and then broadcast it globally. And it's an enormous amount of power and authority and access for any soldier. So I'd love it because it allows me to campaign. You campaign in the public, campaign over the airwaves with mass media in order to achieve foreign policy goals. So having a podcast then allowed me to, in my mindset, call anybody. Yeah. Anybody. Hey, you know, President, come on this show. And then reach out to people who have specific skills or have done amazing things. And bring them on to talk, talk about some of the things they've done, their experiences, where their goals are, where they see the future. And then to take it and have those discussions and bring back those quality answers and visions has helped me to then better connect around the world with what's going on. So it's been a great experience. And I do miss John coming on and hosting a show even once in a while. So I'm glad you're here and at least pitching on the anniversary. But it was painful at first, the 30 hours of editing, because I'm a public affairs officer. I can't have stuttering. I can't have people doing you knows every third word. I can't do it. It makes me itch.

00:05:07    BRIAN HANCOCK
I can't

00:05:09    JACK GAINES
It makes me itch when I hear other people's podcasts. We're glad you edit me,

00:05:11    BRIAN HANCOCK
glad you

00:05:11    JACK GAINES
edit me, so thank you.

00:05:12    BRIAN HANCOCK
so thank you.

00:05:14    JACK GAINES
We all stutter. We all say you knows. It's just a part of the human condition.

00:05:19    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Some of it's normal, but yeah, you get to focus on that when it just continues over and over. You need to cut it out.

00:05:27    JACK GAINES
Yeah. And for people who want to come on and actually interview people, it teaches you better speaking skills because you realize as you're listening to yourself that you do the, the, the, the, the, the, it's a lot. And you start practicing skipping those pints and having moments of space in your breathing so that you can think before you speak. And that improves people's ability to listen and hear what you're saying. Because that's all the editing is for, is to cut out anything that distracts the listener from the message you're trying to say. That's the whole reason I do it. And I cut out tangents. I get right to the very nick of what they're trying to say, because I think that every voice that comes on here has something important that the rest of the group can hear. So I don't really have a favorite. I love all the shows that we've done. I think they're all impressive. I've tried to remaster the older ones. And what I've done is I've bought a series of AIs, one that does rough editing. It's called Clean Voice. And it does all of the stutters. It does the breathing noises. It does all the rough stuff so that I don't have to do that. And that's about eight hours of editing done digitally now. And then I've got another one, which is Adobe Podcast that does voice enhance. So it brings up the levels. It takes everyone's voice. And if it's tinny, cuts out the tinniness. If there's background noise, cuts it out. And then I've got a third one. It's from Isotope and it's called Automatic Assistant. And it's there. It gives me a little gauging on a person's voice. If they have too much reverb, I can reduce it or I can increase it. If they have mouth clicks, I can reduce or remove those mouth clips. And that takes those 30 hours down to eight. That's a week or a weekend of editing and I can get it posted and then people can hear it. which is important because sometimes we only have four or five days before the show will air. And I really like for the listeners to hear their voice, to make sure that what I included is true and it makes sense, and that they feel comfortable that it's going to go out because I believe that makes for a satisfied customer.

00:07:33    BRIAN HANCOCK
Another nice thing, and it's a large contribution, in addition to all the editing that you're doing on the public affairs clearance. to make sure that we all stay on the right side of the military as we're presenting our ideas. That is very important. Not everyone has access to a public affairs officer, depending on what echelon they sit. The fact that you have also very kindly taken your personal time to do a lot of public affairs review for folks to make sure that we're in line with DOD policy guidance is a huge asset for us. It really is. I'd like to kind of close out our time. Just talking about some things we'd like to see the future for the podcast, where we want to take this to grow the franchise. Yeah, the talent that we've brought to the table and the quality of the guests are too. They're just incredible where we're going. John, as our founder and creator, if we could do a couple more things, in your opinion, should they be?

00:08:34    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Two come to mind. One is... How do we get more NCOs on the show? So any NCO listening or any officer listening, reach out to your team sergeants. Those NCOs who are on your teams or in the CAPT or wherever in these formations, you share their knowledge. Share an experience where they may have deployed, where they went on a training experience and learned some lessons and want to share that because there's so many more NCOs out there than officers. incredibly smart, especially in the civil affairs formations, Army and Marine Corps. And there are a lot of people who are not ready to write something. Even though we want the community to be this learning community, they're not prepared and don't want to or don't know how to write something. If that's the way you want to go, the Civil Affairs Association is also set up to help you. So the issue papers is one way. But if you want to write a paper and submit it to someplace else, in the DoD community or the interagency community, then you can do that. And there's a whole network of people ready to help you to improve your writing skills. But come on the show. What I love is, Jack, you are able to form questions in a conversation and highlight the guest, right? You're the host, you're guiding the conversation, but you're trying to put a spotlight on that guest. And it can be a comfortable conversation. You want to have some questions to lead, to guide it, but then it just becomes a normal conversation. And if you're in the civil affairs community, if you got here, you should be able to have a normal conversation with somebody. The second one is grabbing topics that are ripped from the headlines. So unfortunately, there are some things that continue for many, many months or years, the conflict in Ukraine, what's happening right now with Gaza and Israel and Hezbollah. There are individuals who are in think tanks. who get paid to write and to talk. There are a lot of people in the interagency who want to share their knowledge. And so we just need to call them. I mean, Jack, you talked about this. You now got in the seat. You have an excuse to call someone and send them an email. And a lot of people surprisingly will say yes. I think it just takes more of us listening to say, oh, that's something that I care about. Okay, if you're not the person who wants to reach out, send us a message and we can do it on your behalf.

00:10:57    JACK GAINES
Right. And what I really find exciting is when we find someone like Colonel Fidler, who was out there, was out there in Cyprus working on the Gaza relief mission and getting them on because we can always get a spokesperson or a talking points person or a representative, but to get someone who actually was knee deep in it, that is a CA person, and they come in here and they're tired and they're like, man, it was rough and this is what we found. It's so much more real. It's so much more pertinent.

00:11:26    BRIAN HANCOCK
more pertinent. I'm Mary's source evidence. This is rough. This is what we found. But hey, this is what we learned. This is what we offer back to the community because this is going to happen again, right? And here's how we can feed more people. What an amazing mission.

00:11:40    JACK GAINES
Right. And I get calls from folks in the community going, hey, can I contact this person that you had on the show? And I'm like, sure. And I plug them in because one CA. It makes a difference across the community to get people connected and talking and helping each other out. It does.

00:11:55    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
So there were some things that stood out to your question about what to see going forward, skills that would help CA practitioners or operators at the tactical and operational level. I know we need to grow that awareness and our skills at the operational strategic level, but most of the questions and comments that came into me were, oh my gosh, I listened to these episodes to prepare for qualification or my first job or my second job. And so going back to the archives was incredibly helpful for them. If there are additional skills that we can help to see around the bend and what's coming and prepare soldiers and Marines for what's going to come in the future, use this as a platform to educate the community.

00:12:34    BRIAN HANCOCK
And congratulations. Your search and due diligence paid off, and you're going to be now the deputy pullout here for United States Army, Africa, and Europe. That's your next assignment. It's super exciting and probably...

00:12:49    BRIAN HANCOCK
reach back to you for an episode to interview you at some point as you learn more about that. And also, John, I really appreciate what you mentioned about the value that NCOs bring the formation. When foreign officers come to look at the U .S. Army, what they really want to see is our NCO Corps, because it's been very difficult for other militaries to replicate the quality that our NCOs bring. And I think while we want to hear from all NCOs, I have personally a particular interest in hearing from some of the NCOs who have been in the 38 Gulf formations. I think we're still evolving what value -added role will be for non -commissioned officers in the 38 call pyramid, and love to hear what their thoughts are to help shape that, because the doctrine and toes are still being laid out for that. All the way to Jack, the last say on where we go in the future, but I'll add my two cents here. Something that I'd like to do more of, everything we do in the military that truly matters is joint mind. Marine Corps has civil affairs. The Department of the Navy closed its formal civil affairs program a little time ago, but it lives on in a sense through the Marine Corps, who are part of the Department of the Navy, are brothers in the ground combine element, and what the civil affairs groups are doing, and they also have civil affairs capabilities sitting in their meth information groups, is incredible. And we need to hear more of their stories. We have Ash Sergeant Andrew Gonzalez, his story, Plank Now, some of the things that he's done on the show. I encourage you to listen to that. We need more of that content. We need to, they have a fantastic schoolhouse out at Quantico. We need to get some of the folks involved in that curriculum development and what they're doing on the show. And we need more CIMIC, right, joint combined. We need more of that CIMIC piece to it here. That's something that I would like to see in the future. And another thing I'd like to see is more user -driven, requested content. I don't know if we have a forum for that, Jack, or we will in the future. But how would our 1CA podcast listeners request specific content that they are interested in, maybe for college in non -government organization support or relief efforts or other things? How could we take requests and then build a show to help fill the interest of our listeners? So those are two things that I'd like to see. Jack, over to you.

00:15:10    JACK GAINES
Sure. A lot of people do email ideas. they send it over to the capodcasting at gmail .com, which is also on the show links and in the webpage. So that one works well. We get a lot of people asking questions. Usually I ask them who's the best person to talk about it, and then they set up the introduction, or they're like, I don't know, and I'm like, well, I guess you're it, and pull them in. So nothing like getting volunteered in or volunteering yourself accidentally. But one thing that with the SIMIC portion, I just finished the NATO CIMIC conference on the future of CIMIC, CIMIC forecasting at The Hague. It was great. Tons of smart, interesting people from throughout NATO and the world, actually. There was people from internationally there too. And what I found is that there's a real need for finding CA CIM in competition.

00:15:59    JACK GAINES
I found is that there's a real need for finding CA CIM in competition. Even though we're in it, we're fighting it every day and we're the golden children of competition and working with civil populations that are having agents from both sides coming in, trying to influence them. We're the ones on the ground, us and SOF, that are making the difference between that population shifting towards the Russians, the Chinese, or us. So I'll be pitching this year to set up a work group on competition. how we can work with our partner nations and our host nation to build up CIMIC that focuses on winning in competition. OSCE just wrote a paper called Contesting Russia. And the folks over in Vienna are throwing out everything old and they're rebuilding their programs based on that paper. And it's ramifications to the military. Because as you know, when you're working at the strategic level on civil affairs, you're... PAMISI is multinational organizations and government. So if you're looking for a political arm, you need someone like OSCE or you need the UN or you need the Hague or another organization that represents all the multiple governments in the world. For the economics, you need groups like OSCE, ASEAN, Africa Economic Forum. And those are the groups that you work with to pull into the individual nations that you're working with in order to bring the change that you want or the influence you want that builds growth, builds stability, shifts a population into the support of their own representative government and economy. So that is one that's very important to me. And actually that highlights another thing that this show does is it does advocate for civil affairs. It's a great thing because when people come on here and they talk about an issue or a solution, they're pitching it. They're advocating to the group and it builds a common voice, a common knowledge that helps CA, I think, become a sharper arrow in the quiver. That's something I see in the future is that defining the role in competition, which is why I'll be honest, I brought Patrick Alley on and I brought David Luna on because these people are fighting in. the corruption sphere, they're in the law enforcement sphere and in the political sphere. And by knowing these folks and having their words here and their connections to the group, it helps us as a community to be effective as we go downrange. That's been fantastic content.

00:18:32    BRIAN HANCOCK
We've been in the militaries around the world, including NATO, have focused on crisis and conflict for a while. They're pretty good at that. Competition is new, even though we're 99 % of the time the military will be in competition. We don't have all the doctrine yet. There's a joint concept for competing, but all programs, plans, METs, measurements, strategies, they're undiscovered frontier. And the more energy we put into that, less actual fighting with loss of love and treasure. So it's amazing to see how our doctrine is evolving and what the inherent opportunities are. And Jack, thank you for jumping into that and helping buy some guidance and direction for us to build that content.

00:19:12    JACK GAINES
Well, and people are seeing it. If we lose in competition, we lose a country's orbit and we lose access, basing, cooperation, overflight, just like the car, but also countries like Georgia, where Russian agents went in and paid for the campaigns of pro -Russian politicians and also started degrading the ability to campaign by those who are pro -Western. And now the government has become a proxy and the population is protesting. But that's what winning in competition looks like for our adversaries. Our job to win in competition looks a lot like Colombia, where soft forces, CA, went in and worked with the government to create stability, to bring the FARC to the negotiation table so that they... stabilize that region to stop becoming such a violent, conflict -ridden area, especially for the populations. We do win. We have to highlight that we win. We need to learn those lessons, and we need to apply them everywhere else.

00:20:16    BRIAN HANCOCK
else. Yeah. We had some awesome IAP programs, too, dealing with the FARC. Folks at the Able Postgraduate School Core Labs have done incredible social network analysis of the FARC, so we understand it's a very unusual organization. It has to be targeted differently. But these are things that we can do as enterprise. When we get all of our resources together and bend all aspects of national power towards achieving a positive result, more and more can be done. And as I hear you talking, Jack, I keep hearing in the back of my mind that Sun Tzu quote we all know, defeated generals go to war and then seek to win, while victorious generals win first and then go to war. I think the quote's actually in the reverse, but that's the point. It shows that you win in competition and then... The declaration of conflict and the resolution are effectively a fate accompli at them because you've already set the stage very effectively in competition. And I think as a joint combined force, there's more work for us to do there, and I'm excited to see that.

00:21:16    JOHN MCELLIGOTT
Well, gentlemen, it's clear listening to the two of you talk that, Ryan, as a guest host, it's amazing the experience you bring to the table and Jack has taken the helm of the show. perspective that you bring and the outside guests that you bring on the show. This is the right direction for the community. Congratulations for what you've done. People's Choice Award nominee. It's great to hear. Me too. I'm energized. I want to come back and guest host and bring some other guests on the show for you. Everyone listening, thank you so much. You probably don't hear this enough, but thank you for listening to the show for so many years. Please continue to support what Jack and Brian are doing. the Civil Affairs Association. If you're not yet a member, you got to join the thing. It's really cheap and you get a lot of information. In fact, I've always received more information from the association than I tend to get from my chain of command. I don't have all the time to think about what's happening on their side of the world. So I can just listen to an episode while I'm out for a run or driving my car or whatever, and I can learn about all the stuff you just mentioned. So thanks for doing it.

00:22:20    BRIAN HANCOCK
Thank you everyone for joining us today. this episode of One Civil Affairs Podcast. We'll be back in full spring after the holidays are through, and I hope you take the opportunity to go through the index that Major Gaines has put together so during the holidays that you can listen to some of your favorite content.

00:22:40    Close
Thanks for listening. If you get a chance, please like and subscribe and rate the show on your favorite podcast platform. Also, if you're interested in coming on the show or hosting an episode, email us at capodcasting at gmail .com. I'll have the email and CA Association website in the show notes. And now, most importantly, to those currently out in the field, working with a partner nation's people or leadership to forward U .S. relations, thank you all for what you're doing. This is Jack, your host. Stay tuned for more great episodes. One CA Podcast.